I’m honored to share a recent conversation I had with Kristin Steele and Samantha Swaim on The Fundraising Elevator podcast.

With Kristin and Samantha, conversations go deep QUICKLY. We went into possible roots for burnout experienced by nonprofit leaders. And then looked at what leaders can do to retain the joy in this important work.

I think you’ll find the conversation both timely and encouraging.

In this episode, we explored:

  • What it means to lead in a time of upheaval
  • How historical systems still shape today’s nonprofit sector
  • The surprising roots of common tools like Gantt charts
  • Why burnout is often by design – and what leaders can do about it
  • How doubt can actually be a signal that you’re on the right path

We also dug into how leaders can build momentum even when the system isn’t built for thriving—and why learning to say “I don’t know” might be the bravest leadership move you can make right now.

🎙️ Where to Listen:

Or on your favorite podcast app.

If you’re feeling like you’re making it up as you go along, you’re in good company—and you’re not alone.

I’d love to hear what resonates with you.


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